---start----- hematopoiesis 9/3/98 Today we are doing something together instead of him talking the whole time. It will not be a quiz. This course is hematopoiesis 0461 for zero credits (ha ha). No, it's 2 credits. Hematopoiesis is a course Dr Weiss started years ago involving a number of professors interested in hematology. He doesn't organize it any more, but he's still a lecturer. We will discuss topics from the human side of things as well as veterinary things. See handout for list of topics. There are no exams in this course. The course is for you. You should, however, show up and participate so the lecturers are not alone here. Usually it's 1-1.5 hrs instead of 2 hrs, with no break. Be actively involved. Ask questions. There is no agenda here other than giving you interesting information. TOday it is up to you how long you want to go with this. Don't get bored. He's not requiring an attendance list but does appreciate your showing up. There is one other small requirement. You have to write a paper. You will choose an area of your own interest out of the recent literature, and write something about it. It can be anything in hematology, as long as you can defend the position that it has something to do with blood. One student did write one paper that was unrelated to blood...that didn't fly. It has to have something to do with hematology. You have to find some original literature. You have to go to - if you are thinking of some topic....say, laminitis...that sounds unrelated to hematology, but think about it. Look at laminitis. There is blood involved. There are aspects of laminitis you could look at from an inflammatory/thrombotic standpoint...the question is, is there any recent, original literature on the subject? You want to find some original papers, read them, advance your knowledge, then review them together. Ok, what about multiple myeloma? You're learning about that in medsurg2. If you find new research on it, in some area, it might be appropriate, but you don't want to write a paper on your 9002 notes. You have to find original studies - you can back those up with reviews, or class notes. It should be a brief paper. He has to read these all. Dr Weiss too. The quality of the paper and references is then graded. YOu can write your references however you want,but you should do it really in the scientific journal style. This is intimidating to some people. Yes. But there are many journals of hematology or internal medicine that you might like... also, we will have a demo on how to do literature searches. this has been done for a few years and was originally popular and maybe you already know how to do it but if not, you will find out. the librarian has some tricks to show you. she'll show some examples. based on that you might find it easier to find a topic. PAPER DEADLINE IS FIRM::: Tuesday October 27th 1998 (or monday the 26th) Ok, now. Usually he talks about RBC problems now. But, he thinks we are too quiet a class, not having any kind of interactions with the instructors. We show up on time and are pretty good but he wants to get us involved. So, to do this, he thinks that - he had to give an interactive case presentation elsewhere so he's going to present some non-straightforward cases that involve hematology. Slide: shaggy black dog :) Shayna: kerry blue terrier, 9 yr old FS. PCV 35%, TP 6.5 LVMD removed a skin tumor and she did fine but 2 days later started to ooze blood, got swollen. Abx were prescribed, but didn't resolve. PCV was dropping a little. She came here. Blood smear looked normal with adequate platelets. ACT = 5 minutes. What's going on? ACT is prolonged. Your coagulopathy is therefore intrinsic or common pathway (ACT doesn't evaluate extrinsic pathway). So, she could have a factor deficiency, liver disease, rodenticide toxicity, other... more history: hematoma after lipoma removal, hemorrhage after spay surgery, 2 episodes of HGE. PCV 35 TS 6.5 PT 7 (8) PTT 37 (13) ACT 5 min plt 86,000 OK, we know there is a problem with the intrinsic pathway because the PTT is prolonged.. The PT is normal so the extrinsic and common pathways must be normal. remember ACT and PTT measure intrinsic and common pathways; PT measures extrinsic and common pathways. So, rodenticide poisoning is out - that would affect the extrinsic pathway and extend the PT. Liver disease is also unlikely. ok, what about hemophilia, deficiency of factor VIII or IX. this is unlikely in a female dog. Ok, what about factors XI and XII? Well, she had a severe factor XI deficiency. That's interesting. Factor deficiencies do not always cause bleeding in young age. She is 9 years old, but you can't rule out an inherited problem. One thing, though, when you have a specific factor deficiency and all others are normal, it is very likely inherited. You could also think of an Ab being made against a factor - so it could be acquired. But in Kerry Blue Terriers, factor Xi deficiency is well known. It results in postoperative or posttraumatic bleeding, delayed 1-2 days. We've seen several cases like this here. This is also seen in people, esp jews. It is a dominant trait. In dogs we aren't sure if it is dominant or recessive, but it is autosomal. Management: avoid surgery. give FFP (not cryoprecipitate) as needed. or you could use cryo-poor plasma, too, actually. They gave her four units of FFP. Her ACT dropped into normal range after getting those four units of FFP over 3 days. at the same time, her factor XI went from 9% to 100% and then slowly dropped off with a half life of about 30 hrs. She did great. She healed and didn't bleed anymore afterwards. If you are a breeder of Kerry Blues, which happened to be the case of an owner on Tuesday, you should test for this disease. There are many other hereditary coagulopathies common in our small animal practice. slide: cat with teeth showing. Hank: 9 mo old DSH - presented for routine pediatric exam. came back for vaccines. then for castration. he was neutered and during the castration the surgeon became concerned because the testicle was very dark, very dark blood vessels. They put cat on O2 but he remained cyanotic. why? people are suggesting a hemoglobin problem. what's the differential for cyanosis? -lung disease/inadequate ventilation - almost ruled out b/c cat not improved on O2 -shunts/heart defects - can't rule out -toxic insult (acetaminophen) - ruled out b/c this lasted a few weeks -Hb abnormality - rare but must consider how do you separate cyanosis from polycythemia? PCV = 52 which is high (45 = normal upper range) 1. measure serum erythropoietin - useful but maybe not in this case 2. expose EDTA tube to air - will change color if normal Hb 3. arterial PO2 - difficult to do 4. cardiac evaluation - useful and appropriate 5. chest rads - useful for pulm or cariac disease But really, expose the blood to air first. The patient's blood stayed dark. This means there is something wrong with the hemoglobin. Methemoglobinemia? The 3+ form can't carry O2. what does NOT cause metHb? carbon monoxide. that causes cherry red blood b/c it binds Hb. onions, methylene blue, tyelenol all do cause metHb. They tested him for metHb reductase deficiency. Hank had 54% met-Hb- this is serious. Above 60 is likely fatal. should be under 1%. He had 0% metHb reductase activity. So, he's accumulating metHb at about 2-3% per day. Because he has methemoglobin, he is always feelign a bit hypoxic. but O2 administration won't help, he needs blood that can carry O2. but he's also polycythemic because he's trying to make more RBCs to carry more O2. he also has a high reticulocyte count. This tells a lotabout the pathophysiology. If you do n't have oxyHb, you will be hypoxic. The MetHb reductase deficiency is reported in several dog breeds. The clinic that adopted out this cat Hank also had other kittens adopted out at the same time, and another one came in with the same problem. She had the same thing. She was at 54% metHb. why do both of these cats have the same enzyme deficiency? A third cat looked similar - it had 50% metHb reductase activity and no elevation of metHb. This was a carrier. The other two were affected. This was one family of cats in virginia. there was another report in another cat hospital too. Also reported in a couple of dog breeds, and a vet tech recently adopted a small dog that also has this. it was originally misdiagnosed as a congenital cardiac problem with a poor prognosis. you don't have to treat these animals unless they get into trouble - avoid exposure to onions, tyelenol, other oxidative agents. Then it would be in real trouble. they are working on treatment to use in emergencies...best tx probably methylene blue. or, acetylcysteine is also helpful to some extent. Vit C and other things might also be useful. in the cat, it is autosomal recessive...in the dog, no family history is available. in humans it is autosomal recessive. Another cat: this was also a case this year. this is max, an oriental shorthair from down south. came here b/c at 2 yrs old (male, neutered) he had episodes of weakness over 3 mos. he would be white and cold lasting for 1-2 days. he was pale and cold to the touch (his mms). he also had recurrent URI of about a year's duration, intermittent abdominal distention during the episodes of paleness and weakness, and not eating well then. no other probs. he came here and had no physical problems at that time. LVMD data: PCV 18%, TS 6.2, WBC 24,000, glucose 282, ALT 85. This was before he came here. So it is anemic, has leukocytosis, and elevated glucose and ALT. VHUP data: HCT 41, MCV 45, MCHC 33,retic 0.5,WBC 14,000 - all normal here. Some schistocytes present. Adequate platelets. the local vet was concerned - he thought this cat might have an infection, b/c white count was high. but we think this is stress or bone marrow stimulation. he also worried about diabetes. we think this is stress. it could have diabetes but it could also be stress. What about the liver disease? the vet was worried about the ALT of 85. well, that issomething to look into but the animal was sick so this could be nothing. our results were pretty normal. so that wasn't a big help. elizabeth wants to know about the spleen. he says it was nonpalpable. he says we could do u/s, xrays, things like that. it's possible the distended abdomen before was a hemoperitoneum due to bleeding. why would cat bleed? could be neoplasia,but he's two years old. Parasites? typically not causing abdomen problem. what other possibilities are there for blood in the abdomen? coagulopathy. platelet problem (but we excluded thrompocytopenia)(could still have thrombobathia, that is hard to evaluate in cats). Platelet count 891,000 (high) PT 10 PTT 32 (high) ACT 180 (high) ALT (high) alk phos (high) bile acid 15 (high) urine 2+ bilirubin; 1.025 Ok, there is a problem with the intrinic pathway. There are some elevated liver enzymes and bile acids. urine SG sort of low, and bili positive. what's next? it's not rodenticide poisoning. Find out what factors are missing. what causes prolonged PTT? Hemophilia A or B (F VIII or IX) factor XII deficiency rodenticide toxicity liver disease DIC he turned out to be factor XII deficient (Hageman's factor - the first one in the intrinsic pathway). but what is the big deal about that? factor XII deficiency doesn't cause bleeding in other cats or in people. so what is max's problem? why is he bleeding? well, this factor XII deficiency was reported in the Oriental Shorthair once before. But the other cats with it have all been DSH cats. We get fooled b/c they have normal PT and prolonged PTT. But they do not bleed. But what's Max's bleeding problem and liver enzyme problem? day 30: he came back during an episode T 36 C (94 F), P 210, R 45 white mm, weak pulses 5 cm mass palpated on liver abd fluid was bloody PCV 15, TS 5 ALT 380, ALP 38 abdominal US- mottled liver parenchyma. well, there seems to be some liver disease. can we do a liver biopsy? he's bleeding. consider giving plasma. Also, you could look in the literature and see if there are known liver disease in this breed. there is. amyloidosis - hepatic amyloidosis in oriental shorthairs causes a classic presentation of hemorrhage into the abdomen, and death. this is what happened to Max. he was prepared for a U/S guided biopsy but he died before it was done. the mass on the liver was just a hematoma. This was a devastating problem. postmortem: hemoperitoneum, hepatic amyloidosis (also seen in abyssinian and somali. it's a reactive type of amyloidosis - SAA). yellow, tan, friable liver with capsular clots. they checked the family history of this cat - a related cat had pancreatic insufficiency, which is very rare in cats. amyloidosis was suspected. The cat died 10 days later of hemoperitoneum. It was the same thing. there is no tx for amyloidosis as far as we know. slide: cute dog :) this is lady. she presented to the AMC before coming to us. 2 yr old female k9x with recurrent signs of anemia and pigmenturia. she had mild exercise intolerance and no signs of bleeding at any time. labs: HCT 24, MCV 85 (high), MCHC 31, WBC 24 (high), plt 235 so she has macrocytic normochromic anemia with leukocytosis. this is a profile consistent with hemolysis (or blood loss into urine,but that would be unusual) next step? u/a and retic count. she has 9% retics (high) - 210,000 (40,000 = normal) urine 4+ bili, 2+ blood, neg sediment blood bili 1.7 (but dog not icteric), liver enzymes up a bit, K+ elevated, sodium normal. coombs' negative. this is consistent with a regenerative, intravascular hemolytic anemia. blood smear: marked anisocytosis, otherwise nothing major. some polychromatophilic cells. no poikilocytosis or other abnormalities seen. note: human rbcs contain high K+. dogs do not (except akita). normal RBC have low K+ and high Na+ like plasma...so hemolysis doesn't cause hyperkalemia - except if you lyse retics, then you get hyperkalemia. so that's why we have hyperkalemia with intravascular hemolysis - the retics are being lysed.. differential for hemolysis: IMHA primary or secondary babesia neg HW neg zinc toxicity neg chest rads neg abd xray neg no recent vaccine or other exposure what's your diagnosis? IMHA - some can be Coombs' neg what's the best treatment? prednisone? after 14 days of pred,PCV was 42. but a month later the anemia recurred. PCV now 18, retics at 11%. They treated with pred and cytoxan. Within a week pcv was up to 44%. but then she came in a few months later with a PCV of 27 and they didn't treat it - and her PCV went up to 39 within a couple of weeks. so, did she have IMHA? well...who knows? they say response to tx makes your diagnosis, but that's not always the case because this dog got better without treatment as well as with treatment. it is odd that this dog has so many episodes, responds so rapidly, and comes back with the same thing again.what does this make you think of??? hereditary defect? enzyme deficiency? her family history included a littermate who had similar signs, was treated for AIHA, then euthanized after recurrence. They also questioned the owner regarding when the onset of signs occurred - she said the crises occured after strenuous exercise, excessive barking, panting. so, this dog turned out to have an enzyme deficiency.they looked at the glycolytic pathway which provides energy for the RBCs. PFK and PK are the important regulatory enzymes in this pathway. PFK is high up and PK blocks only the last step if missing. Lady's PFK activity was 12% of control, and her DPG was 1/3 of normal. Her Hb-O2 dissociation curve was shifted to left, too. she had a G--> A mutation, resulting in a stop codon instead of a tryptophan. bummer. there is a PCR test to separate mutant allele from normal allele. PFK deficiency causes exertional myopathy and hyperventilation induced hemolytic crises.there is autosomal recessive inheritance. the membranes of the affected cells are very alkaline fragile. When dog pants a lot, it gets a respiratory alkalosis and that induces lysis of the PFK deficient red cells. we can induce this experimentally. that explains Lady's problem.now they can avoid situations that cause exertion, barking and panting (ha ha). in people, muscle cramps is a prominent feature of this syndrome. the dogs are incapable of hunting (ESSP is a hunting dog). to test - can use blood on filter paper or cheek swab cells. ----end-----