---start ethics.lec.02.11.97--- A vet's role regarding suspected abuse: young man, wife, and 2 y.o kid come with injured 3 mo old puppy weighing about 8 kg. husband says puppy fell off the couch. puppy is depressed w/head tilt to left, vertical nystagmus. pupillary reflexes are ok bilaterally. episcleral hemorrhage is present left lateral surface of globe and soft tissue swelling is present on left cranial/temporal region. rr 40 breaths/min with short, shallow excursions. mm pale pink, sl tacky with crt=2 to 3 sec. soft crackles are over the caudal dorsal lung fields bilaterally. abdominal palpation is painful in midcranial region. husband goes to get checkbook after agreeing on treatment plan. while he's gone, wife cries and explains that husband kicked puppy against the wall while angry. you speak with her to calm her down, she stops talking when husband enters the room. you discuss finances w/husband and tell him when you'll call w/update. husband stops to leave deposit as wife and kid go to car. Q: is it your job to be concerned w/differentiateing between abuse and accidents? A: (I say yes!) Q: how do you proceed if animal abuse is suspected and seemingly well founded? A: (i think it varies per case; generally would need to contact authorities, IMO) Q: do you as a vet have a social obligation to assist the wife? if yes how so? A: (again, I think I do. refer for counselling?) what if: after a few hrs you call owner w/this update: chest rads show moderate pulmonary edema in caudal dorsal lung fields, likely neurogenic in origin. abdominocentesis yields .5 cc bloody fluid w/PCV 10, TS 5.0. you've put in an IV cath, given steroids, lasix, low volume IV .9%saline and O2. puppy has guarded px though sl. improved - you want to monitor closely and keep on O2 x 24hrs husband elects to pick up puppy against your advice. when they arrive, wife is wearing dark glasses and says nothing while husband is present . you explain puppy is in unstable condition and offer number for emergency clinic. husband seems disinterested and is anxious to pay and leave. staff proceeds with discharge process. Q: what if anything would you do in this situation? sociallY? morally? professionally? NOTE: RE EXAM AND COURSE EVAL: course evaluation CAN be anonymous. if one person in the group fails to submit an evaluation, the whole group gets an incomplete. also re: grading: it's graded with extreme difficulty: not on right or wrong, but on how you present your point of view- unless your views are completely ludicrous. More important is how you present your case, and how you present alternatives. You are not required to cite Tannenbaum, but refer to the book if you are having difficulty thinking about the problem. What if everyone in the group can't agree? Divide the paper up - like a page and a half per person or something. It's due by 2/26, at noon. GROUP DISCUSSION: group one: discussed taking seminars on how to deal with people in these situations because we're all socially inept; discussed dogfighting; discussed guys brandishing firearms at three am. You're entitled by law to inform SPCA about a case such as this. you are not REQUIRED to do it. but if you do do it, there are no legal repercussions against you if you are wrong. ALso, how to tell if there is abuse or not...if the injuries don't match the story, as in this case, that is a strong indicator. falling off the couch doesn't cause this kind of damage. Q1: yes it is your responsibility to tell difference between abuse and accident - for your own records if not to inform. wide variety of opinions in group- some would report them, others would not. as a vet, you don't have obligation to assist the wife - as a HUMAN BEING, group one says *maybe* you have an obligation to assist the wife. boundaries are shifting between how a vet is involved w/family issues. 20 yrs ago, not at all. Now, there are states involving the vets w/family problems and this may become a national issue, so we're going to have to deal with it which is weird, because we don't have any classes in it. group four: Q1: first, make sure animal is treated and that abuser and wife don't take puppy away. do whatever needed to treat dog. if you feel PERSONAL obligation to do so, call authorities. it's a personal decision, not a professional one (NOTE: this is not at all ok with me - hrg). try to not jump down client's throat and upset people. group three: first they decided not to threaten the owner or make any interrogation that would upset the owner and make them leave. discussed calling authorities, discussed confidentiality issues. decided not to assume anything; maybe dog was hit by car and wife was mad at husband so falsely accused. all agreed was NOT professional obligation to worry about the family (NOTE: WHAT??? Sheesh. this is scary. -hrg). Consider followup call to wife. It's our obligation tofocus on animal only, all else is personal choice group five: this group varied in opinion: from calling cops and trying to intimidate the guy to not doing anything. felt that as vets they would care for dog and if dog needs critical care would talk to owners and offer adoption or payment plan options. also discussed vets should care for pet, maybe give wife a card for social services agency and leave it up to her to followup (NOTE: finally! -hrg) group six: reached consensus quickly. one, yes, try to differentiate between abuse and injury. recall that criteria are being formed now to help. this case seems very clear cut - no couch is that high. try to get animal hospitalized - be kind, conciliatory, to keep animal in hospital so it doesn't go home. then immediately call the spca, get their advice and see what happens. in terms ofthe wife, there's no evidence she's been abused. there is a correlation between animal and spouse/child abuse but there's no evidence here. Re: them coming to pick up animal, hopefully spca would intervene. in PA it is not legal to "fail to provide animal care" for you animal, so maybe you could get away with not letting him take animal home. about the wife, at that point, you could try to look for signs of abuse, if you see them, call social services. morally there is an obligation to help wife, but we aren't trained counsellors so shouldn't try to counsel her (note: finally someone makes sense-hrg) also note that social services won't take third party reports of spousal abuse, she has to do it herself. group two: my group :) we said YES we should differentiate between abuse and accident as part of diagnosis and preventive medicine. if you think it's abuse, call owner for followup to check puppy status, also call all authorities who might be responsible, call local vets, call local VMA for guidelines. if puppy died, stillmake a report so it's on record. in general, as humans it is our obligation to be liason between wife and social services IF SHE ASKS FOR HELP but you can't do it for her. in this case, there is no proof of her being abused. but should be supportive to her. FACTS: this was part fact and part fiction. VHUP has had a somewhat similar case. one person did try contacting wife later; she apparently was not proactive about getting herself help, so no one could do anything. SPCA was contacted, husband was spoken to by someone from VHUP as well who noted that the injury wasn't consistent w/the story. It was decided puppy could stay w/owner as long as it had followup care of three exams at VHUP. they did that and puppy never seen again. Guy finally admitted abusing puppy. --end---